Morgan May Treuil [00:00:00]:
Well, everybody, welcome back to doing this right.
Leslie Johnston [00:00:04]:
Well, here we are.
Morgan May Treuil [00:00:06]:
Here we are.
Leslie Johnston [00:00:06]:
Here we are.
Morgan May Treuil [00:00:07]:
We are your hosts, Morgan and Leslie. It's an absolute scorcher out there today.
Leslie Johnston [00:00:12]:
It is so hot.
Morgan May Treuil [00:00:14]:
Wherever you're. Wherever you are. I hope it's cooler than where we are because.
Leslie Johnston [00:00:18]:
Yeah, it is absolutely 100 and something.
Morgan May Treuil [00:00:22]:
103, it says on my phone.
Leslie Johnston [00:00:24]:
Yeah, we're up in Sacramento, but it feels hotter. It's 104 insane. 104 insane. Let's see what it feels like. You know what it says feels like?
Morgan May Treuil [00:00:34]:
Yeah, probably hotter.
Leslie Johnston [00:00:37]:
Feels like right on.
Morgan May Treuil [00:00:39]:
Right on the money.
Leslie Johnston [00:00:40]:
It says it feels hotter than the actual temperature.
Morgan May Treuil [00:00:43]:
Yeah, it does. It does. It's like one of those heats where you walk outside and you're like, wow, I've never been this hot in my whole life.
Leslie Johnston [00:00:51]:
Yeah, it's oven like. Except I was just in Palm Springs yesterday and it was 114.
Morgan May Treuil [00:00:56]:
Oh, I meant to 14.
Leslie Johnston [00:00:58]:
114. So yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:01]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:02]:
Like.
Leslie Johnston [00:01:02]:
So this actually doesn't feel that bad.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:04]:
When does Palm Springs start to cool off?
Leslie Johnston [00:01:07]:
Probably like September, October.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:10]:
When does here start to cool off? I know I've lived here for enough time to know. I just can't remember September, but I.
Leslie Johnston [00:01:16]:
Feel like we've had hot days in September. Yeah. Like almost 100 degrees.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:20]:
Cuz I'm looking forward to. I'm looking forward to the end of this. This is like. I don't like heat. I don't like summertime. I just need it to be cold and like comfy and cozy.
Leslie Johnston [00:01:31]:
Oh, see, I. I don't know if I agree with you, but I do understand you because I did think about when I was in Palm Springs. I was like. I told my dad the story of when we were in my mom's car and the AC went out and all of us were down there and it was a hundred. It was over 100 degrees.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:47]:
Yes.
Leslie Johnston [00:01:47]:
And we do that. I have no, I just remember sitting in the back and I like my head was back and I was just pouring sweat. But I feel like I just, you know, I think you sometimes just have to be like, this just is what it is. Very.
Morgan May Treuil [00:02:01]:
It felt very.
Leslie Johnston [00:02:03]:
What's that word? When you feel like kind of one with nature? Mm. That's very like, you know what? I'm just like, this is. It is what it is.
Morgan May Treuil [00:02:12]:
I don't think I have that factory setting, whatever factory setting it is, where it's like, it is what it is and I'm just going to be okay with it.
Leslie Johnston [00:02:19]:
Yeah, we went on. I don't know why. We even went on a hike in.
Morgan May Treuil [00:02:23]:
100 degrees in Ladder Canyon.
Leslie Johnston [00:02:25]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:02:25]:
Which was beautiful in the desert. So hot. It was like, so desert.
Morgan May Treuil [00:02:29]:
Honestly, I cannot think about that.
Leslie Johnston [00:02:31]:
Like, go on, you guys, just leave me.
Morgan May Treuil [00:02:33]:
Leave me or to die. I can't even think about that without getting, like, nauseous and hot because it was so.
Leslie Johnston [00:02:40]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:02:41]:
Bad. But you know what? We do hard things and we survived. We survived July.
Leslie Johnston [00:02:47]:
So funny, though.
Morgan May Treuil [00:02:48]:
I have to tell people the cutest. I. The cutest, weirdest thing that you guys did for. For my birthday, I turned 30, like, two days ago or however many days ago that was August, which is such a big deal. Which is a big deal.
Leslie Johnston [00:03:00]:
30.
Morgan May Treuil [00:03:01]:
And I just had the best friends because they. This is a fun idea if you guys haven't done this. But they surprised me. Well, first of all, my family came in town and surprised me for the actual day, which is really fun.
Leslie Johnston [00:03:12]:
So sweet.
Morgan May Treuil [00:03:13]:
And then you guys surprised me that night with them there. And it was like an era's birthday party where everybody dressed as a different era of you. And it's just a really good excuse to get on your friends Facebook pages and go, like, you know, crawl through the archives and find horribly embarrassing photos and recreate them. And I was impressed with how well everybody did, like, it was almost exact recreations of things. Oh, yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:03:38]:
One of our friends, Elisha. He. Morgan had taken. Were these, like, senior photos.
Morgan May Treuil [00:03:43]:
Yeah, it's like you're. Yeah, your senior photos. You take photos in your letterman jacket. Do y' all do letterman jackets here?
Leslie Johnston [00:03:49]:
I think if you're like a football player, you get a letterman jacket. See?
Morgan May Treuil [00:03:52]:
Okay. Everybody in school lettered in something, which.
Leslie Johnston [00:03:56]:
Really probably takes away the emphasis letter in something.
Morgan May Treuil [00:04:00]:
Okay. So I don't. Now that I'm thinking about it, I don't remember. I don't remember what all you could letter in, but basically, if you played a sport, you could letter in something like get a patch.
Leslie Johnston [00:04:11]:
Okay.
Morgan May Treuil [00:04:12]:
I lettered in dance team.
Leslie Johnston [00:04:14]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:04:14]:
Even though it wasn't like a sport, you could let her in cheerleading, you could let her in, like, all kinds of. But then I think they did it for, like, maths and sciences, too.
Morgan May Treuil [00:04:23]:
So you.
Morgan May Treuil [00:04:23]:
Anything you could letter in, you get a jacket, and they would put a bunch of patches on it and stuff.
Leslie Johnston [00:04:28]:
That's actually really cute.
Morgan May Treuil [00:04:29]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:04:29]:
Did you get a class ring?
Morgan May Treuil [00:04:32]:
I didn't get a class ring in high school. I could have gotten one in college. There are certain universities where it's a bigger deal than others. So, like, at Texas A and M, you have to get your Aggie ring, and there's a whole, like, ritual that goes along with it, but I never got mine. Did you get a class ring from college?
Leslie Johnston [00:04:50]:
No.
Morgan May Treuil [00:04:50]:
Did they do that again?
Leslie Johnston [00:04:52]:
I think if you played, like, a significant sport, you got a class ring.
Morgan May Treuil [00:04:56]:
Maybe, but y' all sounded more Bible than ours does.
Leslie Johnston [00:05:00]:
No, yours sounds way more fun, because then everyone gets something.
Morgan May Treuil [00:05:02]:
It's very inclusive.
Leslie Johnston [00:05:03]:
It's kind of like everybody gets a trophy.
Morgan May Treuil [00:05:05]:
It's an everybody gets a trophy kind of situation, for sure.
Leslie Johnston [00:05:08]:
But our friend Elisha, he wore some sort of, like, bomber jacket. And then he. Morgan, was, like, in her photo, like, sitting on a chair with her arms up on the chair. And he literally, like, as she drove up to the surprise party, he's sitting on his chair with his arms like that with a little picture hanging. It was so good.
Morgan May Treuil [00:05:26]:
I first saw him, and I was like, is he. Is he doing, like, a Top Gun Maverick thing? Yeah. I couldn't figure out what was happening. And then I saw the photos next to it. I'm like, that's actually really funny.
Leslie Johnston [00:05:35]:
Yeah. Wait, so you had no idea?
Morgan May Treuil [00:05:37]:
No idea. Oh, my gosh.
Leslie Johnston [00:05:38]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:05:39]:
No. So, like, I, I. I had a feeling that I had family coming in soon, only because Benji was being a little weird around the house. I didn't know. I did not expect it to be for my birthday, though, like, at all. And then so my family coming was already a surprise. And then that night, Benji was like, yeah, I just made reservations for us to go eat dinner somewhere. But then he was.
Morgan May Treuil [00:05:59]:
He said something. He's really good at, like, elaborate surprise things. He says, I have to go over to Joey and Christie's, and I'm gonna try out the. The new monitor that Joey just got. Like, Joey just got a new computer monitor from Costco or something. And Ben, I'm gonna try it before he returns it, so I'm gonna go pick it up on the way to dinner. Oh, perfect. Didn't really clock, like, what? That's so normal.
Leslie Johnston [00:06:24]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:06:24]:
So then we pull up, and it was funny. I didn't even think to look into the driveway because I saw your parents parked on the side of Joey and Chrissy's house, which also didn't seem unnatural to me because they could just be popping by and visiting. So I was looking at your parents, and then by the time we turned in, you guys were all out in front of the garage screaming, you're all dressed. And I was like, it was just so Fun. So I had no idea. I was completely surprised.
Leslie Johnston [00:06:50]:
I love that.
Morgan May Treuil [00:06:51]:
Had no idea.
Leslie Johnston [00:06:52]:
So have you had surprise birthday parties in your life?
Morgan May Treuil [00:06:57]:
Only stuff that y' all have. Ah, there was one surprise that my mom did for me in high school that was really fun and it was like a. Like a girls dinner. It was really fun.
Leslie Johnston [00:07:04]:
That's fun.
Morgan May Treuil [00:07:05]:
But y' all have done more like surprises for me, probably the most.
Leslie Johnston [00:07:07]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:07:08]:
So I felt. I felt very surprised by stuff that our friends have done.
Leslie Johnston [00:07:12]:
I love that a surprise party is so good, especially when it's actually.
Morgan May Treuil [00:07:15]:
Do you like to be surprised?
Leslie Johnston [00:07:18]:
Yeah, I mean, I. Yeah, I love surprises. I feel like I figure them out, though.
Morgan May Treuil [00:07:22]:
Like, you've never been truly surprised by something?
Leslie Johnston [00:07:25]:
No, I think I have been truly surprised, but.
Leslie Johnston [00:07:31]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:07:32]:
I don't know. I think that I just. I catch on to little things. So to me, I feel like I've figured out surprises before, so. And then that kind of takes the fun away from it.
Morgan May Treuil [00:07:40]:
Right. Would you rather be surprised completely by something or play.
Leslie Johnston [00:07:44]:
Oh, yeah. I'm not one of those people who's like, I hate surprises. Like, who hates surprises.
Morgan May Treuil [00:07:49]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:07:49]:
But like, would you rather. If it's like a significant milestone celebration of some kind, are you. Would you rather plan it or would you rather be completely surprised by somebody else's planning?
Leslie Johnston [00:07:59]:
I think I would rather be surprised.
Morgan May Treuil [00:08:01]:
Okay.
Leslie Johnston [00:08:02]:
Cuz sometimes, like, planning your own thing feels like it can be really fun. Cuz then you kind of know what you're going to do.
Morgan May Treuil [00:08:08]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:08:08]:
Which I understand. Maybe people who don't like surprises, they might want to be, like, in control of it, but to me, it's like, way more fun when someone thinks of something like that.
Morgan May Treuil [00:08:17]:
I would imagine. I'm trying to. In our friendship, we've done. We've done parties and things for yours and Christie's birthday. I don't think we've ever done a surprise. And I'm imagining that it would be very hard to plan something for who I feel like are the ultimate planners of things.
Leslie Johnston [00:08:37]:
That's funny. But I feel like we would already have something planned.
Morgan May Treuil [00:08:40]:
I was gonna say, I feel like y' all are always, like 10 steps ahead of everybody.
Leslie Johnston [00:08:44]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:08:44]:
And so there's like the. We'd have to get, like, almost like a year in advance ready to go.
Leslie Johnston [00:08:49]:
But I am a professional player.
Morgan May Treuil [00:08:50]:
You are. You're the plan. Well, that. But I also think you're just the initiator of plans.
Leslie Johnston [00:08:56]:
I just love your plans. I'm like, why would we not all want to have plans?
Morgan May Treuil [00:08:59]:
You like to look forward to something.
Leslie Johnston [00:09:01]:
Yes, I think that's. Maybe that is what it is, which.
Morgan May Treuil [00:09:04]:
I think is really cool.
Leslie Johnston [00:09:05]:
I always think it's so fun to be like, oh, I've got this coming up and this coming up. But my dad's that way too.
Morgan May Treuil [00:09:11]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:09:11]:
He was always like, you always have to. That was, like, one of his things. He told me he's like, you always have to have stuff planned, like, things to look forward to and fun stuff. And I was like, that's so true.
Morgan May Treuil [00:09:20]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:09:21]:
Like the. The fun of, like, the future stuff. Okay, so, 30. Were you afraid to turn 30?
Morgan May Treuil [00:09:29]:
I honestly did. I didn't think that much about it.
Leslie Johnston [00:09:31]:
Okay.
Morgan May Treuil [00:09:32]:
I. I do. I kind of feel like. Or sorry. I thought that turning 30 was going to be this big existential crisis thing where I freaked out just because I feel like everybody does.
Leslie Johnston [00:09:43]:
Yes.
Morgan May Treuil [00:09:43]:
I didn't feel that way at all. I felt like it was very anticlimactic as far as, like, aging goes.
Leslie Johnston [00:09:49]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:09:50]:
I don't know if that's because I'm pregnant, and it kind of feels like there's other. I feel like I have all of the big life change that I can possibly deal with right now floating through my brain at all times.
Leslie Johnston [00:10:01]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:10:02]:
So then the idea of turning 30 didn't really strike me as eventful for sure, maybe is weird, but I think maybe it softens, like, the blow of what people say when they turn 30. I also think that Jennifer Garner really did us a solid and she made this into, like, a movement and thriving. Like, I feel like it's way more positive than even, like, your mid-20s were. 30 just feels like, yeah, I mature and I have my stuff.
Leslie Johnston [00:10:30]:
Yes.
Morgan May Treuil [00:10:30]:
Somewhat figured out, and I can't wait to conquer. That's how 30 feels.
Leslie Johnston [00:10:34]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:10:35]:
Good.
Morgan May Treuil [00:10:35]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:10:36]:
That's how I felt. I was like, okay, everyone freaks out about turning 30, but, yeah, 30. I feel like you care a little bit less about what people think about you.
Morgan May Treuil [00:10:45]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:10:46]:
And that doesn't, like, run your life. But then you also maybe know yourself a little bit more to be like, oh, I figured out the things I want to do, the people I want to be with.
Morgan May Treuil [00:10:55]:
Yes.
Leslie Johnston [00:10:55]:
And that's a great feeling.
Morgan May Treuil [00:10:57]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:10:57]:
I have an unpopular opinion question for you.
Leslie Johnston [00:11:00]:
Okay.
Morgan May Treuil [00:11:00]:
So it's not. It's. I'm. I'm more curious to hear your answer because I don't know if I have an opinion about it, but I think this could be an unpopular opinion. Okay. So we're going to see Freakier Friday tonight. The movie.
Leslie Johnston [00:11:12]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:11:12]:
Which if you're listening and you've already seen it, because it's been out for a little bit now. Right.
Leslie Johnston [00:11:16]:
I think probably, like a week or so.
Morgan May Treuil [00:11:17]:
Okay. Like a week. So some people are probably seen as some people haven't. What is your opinion about remakes like this? Because we are coming up on a lot of remakes. Like, Freakier Friday is, like, not a remake. I guess it's like a. A sequel, but, like, way delayed, so it's not like it was, you know, originally part of the plan.
Leslie Johnston [00:11:35]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:11:36]:
The Devil Wars, Prada 2 is going to be coming out. There's like. I feel like there's some fun.
Leslie Johnston [00:11:41]:
Yes.
Morgan May Treuil [00:11:41]:
Sequels that are delayed that I feel like people are looking forward to. But what is your opinion on whether or not those should be made?
Leslie Johnston [00:11:50]:
I think they should be made if you're using the same people in the sequel. Not just act, obviously, actors. If you change the actors, that's weird.
Morgan May Treuil [00:12:00]:
Yes.
Leslie Johnston [00:12:00]:
But to me, I feel like you can tell if, like, the producer is different or the, like, the people who are actually making it. To me, that feels like it should be the same people.
Morgan May Treuil [00:12:10]:
Yes.
Leslie Johnston [00:12:11]:
Like, I would imagine, you know, like, Full House did a remake, Fuller House, which. I never really watched Fuller House, but to me, I'm like, there's no way they could have used the same. I mean, maybe they use the same team. I know the same actors.
Morgan May Treuil [00:12:23]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:12:23]:
Which was awesome. But I'm. I'm just curious. I should actually watch it. So I'd have an opinion on it. But I don't know. I think I'm an easy movie lover. Like, unless it's.
Morgan May Treuil [00:12:36]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:12:37]:
Unless it's scary or super depressing. I'm like, that was a great movie. Yeah. I'm like, this was awesome. This should win a novel, an Academy Award.
Morgan May Treuil [00:12:45]:
Oh, I'm.
Leslie Johnston [00:12:45]:
I'm very easy to please with movies, so to me, I love them. I love them.
Morgan May Treuil [00:12:51]:
Any movie.
Leslie Johnston [00:12:52]:
Devil Wears Prada, too, coming out. I'm so excited.
Morgan May Treuil [00:12:56]:
I'm actually really excited for that one.
Leslie Johnston [00:12:57]:
She's an. Anne Hathaway is going to be in, like, every single movie coming out. Recently.
Morgan May Treuil [00:13:02]:
She's been working.
Leslie Johnston [00:13:03]:
I watched a TikTok, and she's in, like, five or six movies. She looks amazing.
Morgan May Treuil [00:13:07]:
She looks the same.
Leslie Johnston [00:13:08]:
She looks younger somehow. I know, but who knows what that's about? Peptides or something.
Morgan May Treuil [00:13:13]:
Peptides.
Leslie Johnston [00:13:14]:
I don't even know what peptides are.
Morgan May Treuil [00:13:15]:
But I feel similarly. Similarly to you. I have never seen one made that I enjoyed, like, a delayed sequel. So I'll throw that out there, but I can be proven wrong. It feels like it needs to be the exact same team.
Leslie Johnston [00:13:33]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:13:33]:
Of both actors and producers, directors, writers. Like, it has to be the exact same or else the nostalgia factor is lost.
Leslie Johnston [00:13:42]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:13:42]:
And also, I feel like we shouldn't be doing a bunch of, like, new characters. I'm like, just. Let's just keep it to the same. Like, it should honestly just be the same storyline.
Leslie Johnston [00:13:53]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:13:54]:
But, like, tweaked or they're trying to do too much. Like, they're trying to introduce.
Morgan May Treuil [00:13:58]:
Yes.
Leslie Johnston [00:13:58]:
New things and touching on cultural. And you're just like, no.
Morgan May Treuil [00:14:02]:
You're like, no, no, no, no. I don't. I don't. I don't think that's good.
Leslie Johnston [00:14:06]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:14:06]:
So I have not seen one yet that I think was worth it.
Leslie Johnston [00:14:10]:
Okay.
Morgan May Treuil [00:14:10]:
However, the devil wears Prada 2 is one that I actually have a lot of hopes for.
Leslie Johnston [00:14:15]:
Yes.
Morgan May Treuil [00:14:17]:
But again, I'm really excited that they have all four of, like, your favorite main characters. I know. Even the guy Stanley Tucci's in it too. Everybody. And so as long as it's, like, written well and is really fun, these should only. The goal of these should only be nostalgia.
Leslie Johnston [00:14:34]:
Yes.
Morgan May Treuil [00:14:35]:
Not, like, don't try and do something cinema.
Leslie Johnston [00:14:37]:
Don't try to do something new.
Morgan May Treuil [00:14:38]:
No. We won't know.
Leslie Johnston [00:14:41]:
There's a reason why it was so good.
Morgan May Treuil [00:14:42]:
I want the same scene, same story, same characters.
Leslie Johnston [00:14:46]:
Well, you know, Freaky Friday is not the same. You know, that's like a new storyline.
Morgan May Treuil [00:14:52]:
Freakier Friday or.
Leslie Johnston [00:14:53]:
Yeah, Freakier Friday.
Morgan May Treuil [00:14:54]:
Right. It's like, I've heard not great things about Freakier Friday, so I'm excited. No, Well, I mean, like, we have to. You have to see it because of the nostalgia. But I'm just saying, like, this is why I asked the question.
Leslie Johnston [00:15:04]:
Okay.
Morgan May Treuil [00:15:04]:
Because I've heard people be like, that was a horrible waste of time. Or like, Mamma Mia. Two people don't like Mamma Mia. Too.
Leslie Johnston [00:15:11]:
Oh, see, some people say Mamma Mia. Two is better than Mamma Mia. One.
Morgan May Treuil [00:15:14]:
See? Okay, so then maybe that this. This might be an unpopular opinion. Some people might feel really differently about this.
Leslie Johnston [00:15:19]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:15:20]:
My Big Fat Greek Wedding too, huh? I didn't like that. Like, I. I just don't think a 2 makes things bad.
Leslie Johnston [00:15:28]:
Do you like Fast and Furious?
Morgan May Treuil [00:15:29]:
I've never seen a Fast and Furious movie.
Leslie Johnston [00:15:32]:
Really?
Morgan May Treuil [00:15:32]:
You've never seen Greece?
Leslie Johnston [00:15:34]:
Yeah, I've never seen Greece.
Morgan May Treuil [00:15:35]:
Do you understand how that's all, like.
Leslie Johnston [00:15:37]:
Five Fast and Furious movies, but I've never seen Green.
Morgan May Treuil [00:15:40]:
You understand how you Missed, like, significant cultural moment.
Leslie Johnston [00:15:45]:
It was such a moment.
Morgan May Treuil [00:15:46]:
So we'll have to watch those. That. Or just that. That's another example of a 2 gone horribly wrong. Greece 2 might be the worst movie.
Leslie Johnston [00:15:55]:
Really?
Morgan May Treuil [00:15:55]:
Yeah, maybe.
Leslie Johnston [00:15:56]:
Okay, I'll have. We can watch Greece.
Morgan May Treuil [00:15:58]:
We have to.
Leslie Johnston [00:15:59]:
Is it in black and white or in color?
Morgan May Treuil [00:16:01]:
No, it's not that old. It's in color. It's in color.
Leslie Johnston [00:16:05]:
Like, all the photos I see. It's like, black and white. No, I don't. My unpopular opinion is, like, I will not watch a black and white movie.
Morgan May Treuil [00:16:14]:
Yeah, I agree with you.
Leslie Johnston [00:16:15]:
Now, maybe that doesn't make me sound, like, in movie cultured enough.
Morgan May Treuil [00:16:19]:
No, I agree with you.
Leslie Johnston [00:16:20]:
I'm like, they're talking so loud and they. There's the whole thing.
Morgan May Treuil [00:16:26]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:16:27]:
Why are these people. Why are these women 20, but they sound like they're 70 years old. Yes, it really does. It, like, icks me out.
Morgan May Treuil [00:16:34]:
I kind of agree with you. It's also really hard for me to watch something animated.
Leslie Johnston [00:16:39]:
Really?
Morgan May Treuil [00:16:39]:
I think that.
Leslie Johnston [00:16:40]:
I think I'd rather watch an animated movie, I think, than a real one.
Morgan May Treuil [00:16:44]:
Really? What is that? Probably, like, it just seems more, like, innocent and playful or what?
Leslie Johnston [00:16:50]:
Yeah, probably like, nothing terrifying can happen. Happen in a movie that's animated.
Morgan May Treuil [00:16:54]:
That is true. I think if it's animated or. I feel the same way about the whole, like, black and white thing. If it takes you out of what's current, it doesn't feel real enough for me to get immersed in the storyline.
Leslie Johnston [00:17:07]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:17:07]:
I feel.
Leslie Johnston [00:17:08]:
You know what? You know what? I don't know if I can say this word on this podcast, but you know what's really pissing me off recently is I see the trailer for the Cat in the hat, the Dr. Seuss cat in the Hat movie. Have you seen this trailer?
Morgan May Treuil [00:17:21]:
Is it a new version of the Cat in the Hat?
Leslie Johnston [00:17:24]:
Yes. And it's like, the animation is so weird. It's like 2D, but not in a cool way. In like, a. Like, sometimes I'm like, we're so far along, everybody, let's like. Which I get. There's, like, stylistic things, but to me, I'm like, just go watch the trailer and tell me if that.
Morgan May Treuil [00:17:41]:
So it's an animated movie.
Leslie Johnston [00:17:43]:
Watching it. It's an animated movie.
Morgan May Treuil [00:17:45]:
Why are we doing that? Why do we need to read?
Leslie Johnston [00:17:47]:
Animation is so weird. And it's like, you could just. I'm like, this is Dr. Seuss. This is like the books we all grew up in childhood reading.
Morgan May Treuil [00:17:56]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:17:56]:
And they're very, like, Classic looking. Yes. Even though they're weird, but they're like classic in their Dr. Seuss way.
Morgan May Treuil [00:18:02]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:18:02]:
This movie, it's. It's gonna make you mad.
Morgan May Treuil [00:18:04]:
Oh, my gosh.
Leslie Johnston [00:18:05]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:18:06]:
Well, that irritates me.
Leslie Johnston [00:18:07]:
I know.
Morgan May Treuil [00:18:07]:
Did you ever watch the actual, like the. The Real People version of the Cat in the Hat with Mike Myers and.
Leslie Johnston [00:18:14]:
I think so, yes.
Morgan May Treuil [00:18:16]:
Yeah, that's. That's like a family favorite of ours, actually. Really? I love weird, like the movies that are made in. In that kind of way where it's like.
Leslie Johnston [00:18:27]:
Is that like the same era is like, what was the Blue. The Blue Man? Like, what movie am I thinking of?
Morgan May Treuil [00:18:33]:
Blue Man?
Leslie Johnston [00:18:35]:
It's like big something. I'll think of it. I'll think of it. I just like.
Morgan May Treuil [00:18:42]:
I like Mike Meyer. Like, I don't know, like, it was. It was like, funny and weird, but like.
Leslie Johnston [00:18:47]:
Do you really like Jim Carrey?
Morgan May Treuil [00:18:48]:
Yes.
Morgan May Treuil [00:18:49]:
Yeah, I grew up liking Jim Carrey. We watched like, what movie? Yeah. Liar, Liar and what's the. The. Or Bruce Almighty.
Leslie Johnston [00:18:58]:
Oh, Bruce Almighty.
Morgan May Treuil [00:19:00]:
Great movie. Jennifer Aniston too. What the heck?
Leslie Johnston [00:19:05]:
Theology from that movie. That's a little unfortunate.
Morgan May Treuil [00:19:08]:
Like, Morgan Freeman is kind of like your picture of what God looks like. Crazy. And it's the most realistic one that I have seen. Okay. We did something last week that we hope you guys liked because we're gonna do kind of like the continuation of that, but it was basically us in our knee jerk responses to some of the big existential life questions that Chad GPT says young women our age are asking. So we covered the first five last week and then now we're gonna cover.
Leslie Johnston [00:19:39]:
Oh, I love it.
Morgan May Treuil [00:19:41]:
The. The last five that it gives. So hopefully the goal of this is not to, like, solve the problem or the.
Leslie Johnston [00:19:48]:
Especially because we haven't. We don't know what these questions are.
Morgan May Treuil [00:19:51]:
We're literally pulling them up. And I think that these questions in these. These thoughts are too deep for you to settle.
Leslie Johnston [00:19:57]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:19:58]:
Right now. Or like, even in just one conversation. But this is meant to give you a little a start, I guess, or a framework to think about it through. So hopefully that. Hopefully they're helpful to you. Okay, so the. Just to review the last few questions that we covered in the last episode. Who am I? Am I on the right path? What do I actually want out of a life? How do I navigate my relationships well, and then what is my relationship with spirituality or God? Like? Like, these are some of the five big questions.
Morgan May Treuil [00:20:27]:
So here are the last five, which we have actually talked about. This one Somewhat recently. How do I handle loneliness and comparison? Fears of being left out, left behind. Not enough. The fact that social media is like this high highlight reel of life and you're just constantly measuring yourself up against other people.
Leslie Johnston [00:20:49]:
Yeah, yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:20:51]:
First thoughts, how do I handle loneliness and comparison?
Leslie Johnston [00:20:56]:
Well, I think sometimes we feel like feeling. I think there's a difference between feeling lonely and then, like, being lonely. I think being lonely is when you're in a season where, like, you actually don't feel like you have anyone.
Morgan May Treuil [00:21:14]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:21:14]:
And then. But I think the feeling of loneliness can happen even if you're with a bunch of people or maybe you have great friends, great people. But, like, you have a night by yourself and you're like, oh, I feel lonely. Or like, I think you can feel lonely if you don't feel very known.
Morgan May Treuil [00:21:34]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:21:34]:
And so to me, like, there's just a lot of different, I guess, versions of loneliness. But I would say, man, sometimes loneliness, I think, is not always a bad thing. I think there's times where maybe even God lets you feel some of the loneliness because you can't just, like, constantly fill your life with things and people and stuff and things to basically, like, spin your wheels all the time and that there's moments where it's like, God's gonna let you be by yourself. And I think sometimes we have to stop maybe always calling it loneliness. It's like, no, this actually is a time. Like, if we have no loneliness time, then there's no time to really connect with God. And.
Leslie Johnston [00:22:28]:
So.
Leslie Johnston [00:22:28]:
Yeah, I don't. I don't know.
Morgan May Treuil [00:22:29]:
I think that's a really good point. I think the.
Morgan May Treuil [00:22:32]:
The.
Morgan May Treuil [00:22:33]:
The word we probably should be using is solitude, because there is a time and place for that.
Leslie Johnston [00:22:39]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:22:40]:
And I think whether or not you have a positive outlook on being in solitude, that's what determines whether or not you feel loneliness or not.
Leslie Johnston [00:22:49]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:22:50]:
And I think that at least speaking for, like, my. Myself and my experience, I think that if you are alone during a part of your day or maybe even you're going through a season where you just moved somewhere new or your schedule just changed and you feel like you're by yourself maybe more than you used to be, how you handle that is a really good litmus test for how healthy your relationship with yourself is.
Leslie Johnston [00:23:19]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:23:19]:
Because I think you're right. I don't actually think that loneliness is a bad thing. I also don't like. I think loneliness is almost like the bad label that we put on solitude when we're not comfortable with it.
Leslie Johnston [00:23:31]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:23:31]:
And So I think a. What you just said is brilliant. It's like there are times where I think God allows you to experience more solitude because he would like to strengthen his relationship with you. Yeah, I read somewhere recently, like, the definition for fasting is removing distraction so that you can more clearly hear the voice of God. So people fasted from food, people fast from social media, from television. It's kind of like if you are of the age where you have kids at home and they watch a bunch of television and when they turn the TV on, your kids kind of become zombies, right? Like, you call their name over and over again, they don't answer you, you're like, the house is burning down. They don't move because they're so engrossed in television. Or if you are like really into tick tock and social media, you can get into a, like a doom scroll where you can't even hear the sound of your own name because you're so focused on something else.
Morgan May Treuil [00:24:30]:
And so the idea of like fasting is you would take away whatever the thing is that's consuming your attention. And with that, remove distraction, you can more, more clearly hear what's being said around you and who's saying something to you. And so I think you're right. I think sometimes God allows you to experience seasons of solitude because he wants you. He wants you to hear something or like he wants to share more of himself with you. But I also think even separate from your, not separate from your relationship with God, in conjunction with your relationship with God is your relationship with yourself. And, and if you feel like you are not able to spend an evening or a day by yourself, I'm curious what's happening underneath that that makes you so uncomfortable with your own thoughts or your own feelings? Because, like, almost like a, like a self assessment of, like, do I just need a lot of like, noise and people around me to distract me from something happening in me that I'm not ready to deal with? I'm not a counselor, so I don't know, but I feel like in history that's been my experience with myself.
Leslie Johnston [00:25:34]:
Yeah, I feel the same way. I feel like when I was younger, I mean, I had a twin, so I felt like I was always with somebody. There was like never a time, honestly, that I was by myself.
Morgan May Treuil [00:25:45]:
That's hard.
Leslie Johnston [00:25:46]:
Like, I was always with somebody and we had the same friends, we went to the same school. So to me it was like being by yourself. Like, what does that even look like? And then when I became an adult, Christie and I Lived away from each other for a little while and. And I had just moved back home from college. There was, like, all new people that I was meeting. Like, my old friends didn't live there anymore. I would say at first it was like a lonelier season because I felt like, oh, I'm like, really jumping into being by myself for the first time ever.
Morgan May Treuil [00:26:22]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:26:22]:
And I was so scared of it. I was like, I don't think I can be by myself. Like, I'm not. I'm. I like people. I like being with people all the time. This is what I'm used to. And then it wasn't even intentionally, but I had a job, so I would do that.
Leslie Johnston [00:26:36]:
And then I had my family and I had some friends. And then I got involved in, like, a small group of girls who became like, my best friends. And it actually was such a good year because I had to actually step out and be like, I don't wanna be lonely. I don't wanna have no friends and no support. And so to me, it really pushed me to go, like, okay, I can actually make friends without a twin sister.
Morgan May Treuil [00:27:02]:
Like, it was.
Leslie Johnston [00:27:03]:
It was such a great year for me. It was like, one of the best. It was. It was a hard year because Christy wasn't here. She's like, she's my best friend. But during that year, I was like, oh, no. I can actually, like, step out of my comfort zone and do these things. But this wasn't intentional.
Leslie Johnston [00:27:18]:
But I remember, like, on Saturdays, I would just go do stuff by myself. Like, I would go to the mall, I'd go take care of errands. Like, I'd go on a walk somewhere. And I felt like I was training myself to, like, appreciate alone time in small stints. Like, it's hard to go from somebody who maybe is like an outgoing people person, say you just moved somewhere. Don't have every night by yourself.
Morgan May Treuil [00:27:44]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:27:44]:
Don't have no plans. Like, go get involved in, like, a young adults ministry or a small group. Or like, force yourself to go to things, but then give yourself, like, okay, this night I'm gonna, like, make dinner, do my own thing. And then maybe on Saturday during the day, I'm gonna do my own thing. And give yourself, like, pockets of time. It sounds dumb, but it's like, where you can practice being alone.
Morgan May Treuil [00:28:06]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:28:07]:
Because I do think a lot of times we're avoiding our. We're avoiding ourselves. Like, we just wanna fill our mind and fill our time with a bunch of stuff.
Morgan May Treuil [00:28:14]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:28:15]:
But I think you find when you. You do have time by yourself. And when you stop calling that, like, loneliness time, my sister and I always joke, we're like, okay, I wanna hang out by myself. But I want it to be like, I'm choosing to hang out by myself. Like, I don't wanna have nothing to do. But I think when you start to go, oh, actually out of this time, I'm way more fueled to then be with people instead of draining myself all week long. I mean, I know I can do that. I joke with Michael all the time.
Leslie Johnston [00:28:45]:
He's like, you have plans every single night. And I'm like, and I love that.
Morgan May Treuil [00:28:49]:
I would not change that.
Leslie Johnston [00:28:50]:
But I would not change it. But to me, I'm like, oh, on the weekends, like in the mornings, I do my own thing. I'm very like, I liked like all today. I basically just had like my alone time, which was great. Cause the past couple days have been crazy. So to me it was like, oh no. I actually find like so much refreshment out of it. But I think sometimes, you know, you have to stop assuming if you're by yourself, you're lonely.
Morgan May Treuil [00:29:16]:
Yeah, that's great.
Morgan May Treuil [00:29:17]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:29:18]:
And. And you said this. I don't want to. I don't want to miss it. I think you can plan things for your solitude time and make it feel less depressing.
Leslie Johnston [00:29:26]:
Yes.
Morgan May Treuil [00:29:27]:
Like, I feel like sometimes when you get up and you're like, man, I have the whole day to myself. I have no plans. And you just do the whole couch rot thing. I actually think that sometimes couch rotting is really fun. And it can be restful for sure. But if that's all your alone time ever is, you, that can feel really depressing and sad. So what if you were to make plans to like run errands that day? Or if you wanted to make a fun dinner that night with a cookbook or finish a series or whatever, just like get up and go do something.
Leslie Johnston [00:29:55]:
Yes.
Morgan May Treuil [00:29:55]:
And that might make it feel less like, miserable and sad because then you're not doing nothing. You're doing something. You're just doing it with yourself. And then the other thing I was going to say too, because you touched on this earlier. If you find yourself in a season where you're surrounded by people but you feel really lonely, I wonder if that might be an indicator that your friendships might not be as deep or fulfilling as they could be.
Leslie Johnston [00:30:22]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:30:22]:
Or maybe you're walking in relationships where you're just not experiencing what it's like to be known for who you are. So you can never show up as Yourself, you're always showing up as, like a version of someone. And that can feel lonely too, because especially, like, if you're a new friend to an established group of people and you feel like everybody else is kind of known, but you're not.
Leslie Johnston [00:30:44]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:30:44]:
I feel like that is something that's also not easily fixable. But it's fixable. I just think it's like it, it's more so requiring you to ask yourself the question, am I showing up as the most authentic version of myself?
Leslie Johnston [00:30:57]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:30:58]:
Because that can be lonely when you're not showing up, like you to a group of people.
Leslie Johnston [00:31:02]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:31:02]:
That doesn't feel meaningful.
Leslie Johnston [00:31:04]:
Totally. But I also think a lot of people will, like, coin loneliness to a time when they're not in a relationship. Like, they maybe have friends, they have family, but, like, if they're not in a relationship, then they feel lonely. Which there's definitely a lot of truth to that. Like, there are times when it's like, oh, everybody has their person and I don't. Or you're the person going to an event and everybody's dating somebody and you're the one that's single. And I, I mean, I have a lot of sympathy for that. But I also, in the same, in the same vein, like, there have been times in my life where I have been the single person and my friends have been the ones dating or engaged or married.
Leslie Johnston [00:31:52]:
And I remember if you let yourself have that drive a wedge between you and people. Like, if you feel like you start to go, okay, well, I can't. I don't want to be a third wheel. I've been a third. Even though I'm dating. So I've. Because we do long distance. I've been a third wheel with you and Benji all the time.
Morgan May Treuil [00:32:09]:
I feel like I've been a third wheel in marriage because we do a lot of long distance.
Leslie Johnston [00:32:13]:
Yes.
Morgan May Treuil [00:32:13]:
I. Yeah, like, even in relationships. Yeah, you third wheel.
Leslie Johnston [00:32:16]:
But it's like some of my favorite times have been when I've third wheeled.
Morgan May Treuil [00:32:20]:
I love it.
Leslie Johnston [00:32:21]:
You, me and Benji went to San Francisco last year.
Morgan May Treuil [00:32:23]:
It was the most fun day.
Leslie Johnston [00:32:24]:
I figured it was before, after. Oh, wait, this is before you got married.
Morgan May Treuil [00:32:27]:
I think we were engaged.
Leslie Johnston [00:32:28]:
Yeah, you were engaged. And we all went. And I was like, this was such a fun day. And to me. But you, you just, you don't want to be the person that's like, oh, you know what, they may be weird about this, or I might be weird about this. You know, nine times out of ten, unless you're like, Actually, like, trying to get it on their date night. That might be weird.
Morgan May Treuil [00:32:47]:
But yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:32:48]:
If I actually think, like, you need to stop putting these things in your head that people aren't even saying or thinking.
Morgan May Treuil [00:32:55]:
Yeah, totally.
Leslie Johnston [00:32:55]:
So it's like, you actually don't have to have that be a season where you feel lonely. If you really are, like, diving into your friendships, diving into, like, your couple friends. Like, we need to stop going, like, oh, well, only married people hang out with married people. Or single people only hang out with single people. Or people with kids only hang out with other people with kids. We talk about that all the time now.
Morgan May Treuil [00:33:17]:
So stupid. It's so stupid to like, confine friendship to these life seasons.
Leslie Johnston [00:33:22]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:33:22]:
When that it make. It feels like it makes it two dimensional.
Leslie Johnston [00:33:25]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:33:26]:
Like it's like a card. Like it's a cartoon. Everyone's yes is hanging out people who look like them and are in the same season as them.
Leslie Johnston [00:33:32]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:33:32]:
That makes. There is no richness to that.
Leslie Johnston [00:33:34]:
No. And we've all walked through different seasons. And I get when life stages may change some things a little bit, but to me, it's like your season. Like, I even think of moms with little kids. Like, I hear a lot like, oh, that was a really lonely season. Because, you know, your life just gets crazier. But again, I don't think it always has to. I think sometimes we assign ourselves, like, well, now that I'm in a different season or I'm not in their season or I'm ahead of someone else's season, that then you force yourself to be lonely.
Leslie Johnston [00:34:06]:
When I'm like, maybe we just need to stop putting on these expectations of what other people are, what you think they're thinking, and just, you know, dive into your friendships and be like, you know what? This isn't exactly how I thought it would look, but I'm gonna enjoy it because God obviously has us here for a reason and we're both like, friends and there's so much good that can come from it. And so sometimes I don't think just because whatever your thing is, like, if you're not married yet or you don't have kids yet or whatever, that doesn't have to make you be automatically in the lonely season.
Morgan May Treuil [00:34:40]:
Yeah, it doesn't make sense.
Leslie Johnston [00:34:41]:
Some, like, the best times I've had have been when the least lonely sometimes I've felt is when I have been single and I've had really, really great friends. And to me, I remember feeling like, wow, I'm actually like, now do I want to Be in a relationship. Yes.
Morgan May Treuil [00:34:54]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:34:55]:
But do I actually feel fulfilled right now and I don't feel lonely? Totally. Like, it is possible.
Morgan May Treuil [00:35:00]:
Yeah. Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:35:01]:
To encourage people who are. I don't. Like, I think. Yeah. Like, if you're. If you're single or you don't have kids, or maybe you have kids and you feel like that's making you the odd man out of like, a certain group of friends or whatever, I think what you're saying is so valuable. Like, stop. Stop making it about things that no one cares about.
Leslie Johnston [00:35:23]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:35:23]:
Jump in and be a part. And then if you're on the opposite side of that, like you're a married couple and you have friends that are single, or you have kids and you have friends with no kids, or you're a group of single girls and there's someone in your group who has a kid and they're like this, the odd person. Do whatever you can to help welcome people in and make them feel like whatever their season is does not isolate them from the rest of what's going on. Like, totally. I always hated it when I hung out with married couples and it felt like they were married and I was single. Like, I almost feel like when you hang out with married couples, it should feel like you're all like, friends hanging out.
Leslie Johnston [00:35:58]:
Yes.
Morgan May Treuil [00:35:59]:
Obviously two of you are married, but, like, it shouldn't feel like there is, like this weird sort of like, line drawn between you. It should feel really organic and fun and we can make efforts to help each other feel more comfortable and included.
Leslie Johnston [00:36:11]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:36:12]:
It's so funny. I've never felt that way, like, with any of our friends.
Morgan May Treuil [00:36:16]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:36:16]:
I've never felt like anyone has made this. Like, like we are married.
Morgan May Treuil [00:36:21]:
I don't feel like anyone is super.
Leslie Johnston [00:36:23]:
Like, how it feels.
Morgan May Treuil [00:36:24]:
What's the word for it? Anyone in our friend group is super. Is it like lovey dovey or like they're not. Like, that's probably true. Super flirt. Like, everyone's really.
Leslie Johnston [00:36:35]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:36:35]:
It's like when we're all together, it's like, that's something. Actually my dad taught me when I was little. He's like. Or like in high school, because we were obviously really involved in the youth group. And he's like, when you start dating someone, Especially when I was like, in college, I was helping out in, like, middle school and high school. He's like, if your significant other is there with you, you should just like, be in ministry. Like, don't like, oh, I only can sit next to them. Or I only can do this with Them.
Leslie Johnston [00:37:03]:
Like, a lot of times we'll go out to dinner and all the girls go to one side and all the boys go to the other.
Morgan May Treuil [00:37:08]:
I think is amazing.
Leslie Johnston [00:37:09]:
Which is awesome.
Morgan May Treuil [00:37:10]:
And how we wanted it to be anyway.
Leslie Johnston [00:37:11]:
Yes. It's like. So I guess if you're, like, if you're the married person, to, like, love on your friends that are single and to be willing to, like, I don't know, be flexible. Be flexible.
Morgan May Treuil [00:37:24]:
Separate.
Leslie Johnston [00:37:25]:
Don't always have to be like, oh, I have to, like, sit next to my husband. I always have to stand next to him. Or I always have to, like, ride in the car.
Morgan May Treuil [00:37:32]:
No, be Is different. Be separate. I don't need that. None of us need that.
Leslie Johnston [00:37:37]:
Yes. Like, you're, you will feel less lonely if you can stand on your own in your friend group.
Morgan May Treuil [00:37:41]:
Yes.
Leslie Johnston [00:37:42]:
So.
Morgan May Treuil [00:37:42]:
And make everyone else more comfortable.
Leslie Johnston [00:37:43]:
Exactly.
Morgan May Treuil [00:37:43]:
I love that.
Leslie Johnston [00:37:44]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:37:44]:
Time and place. That was good.
Morgan May Treuil [00:37:50]:
Okay, this is a good one. This will probably be shorter since I don't know that you and I have much, much to talk about in this regard. How do I afford my life? Oh, it's like, financial. Which is funny because I feel like this takes up a bigger space in some people's brains than it does in others. And it's one of those things that does not take up almost any space in my brain, but it probably should. I feel super well off, but because I'm.
Leslie Johnston [00:38:15]:
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:38:16]:
Well. And just. And Benji. Yeah, he's definitely. He's more of the numbers guy than you. You're kind of like, give me a budget.
Morgan May Treuil [00:38:25]:
I really do feel away.
Leslie Johnston [00:38:27]:
I feel like that takes up some, A lot of my brain space.
Morgan May Treuil [00:38:30]:
Really?
Leslie Johnston [00:38:31]:
Yeah, Being like, anxiety. You know what's funny is this year, it used to give me a lot more anxiety. Now, all things considered, like, I, I, I don't know how to put this. Like, I, Obviously I'm in a scenario. Like, I'm not dumb to think, like, oh, I'm, like, really struggling. Like, it's not that way because clearly, like, I have a home now. My parents helped me get into that home. Like, I have a lot of things that have given me a leg up, so I understand that.
Leslie Johnston [00:39:03]:
But it's still, like, I have to, like, always think about a budget and always. So for a while, like, after my, When I got out of college, really was the time I was like, oh, my gosh, like, I have to afford my life. Like, I have to move out, pay rent, like, do all these things. And it caused, like, so much anxiety that I never wanted to look at my budget. I was like, I just can't look at my bank account because to me, I'm gonna be afraid if like, I look in there and I actually start to do the numbers and things aren't adding up. Like, that just freaks me out. So to me, I just like decided not to think about it. Out of sight, out of mind.
Leslie Johnston [00:39:44]:
Thankfully I was like, never the person that like, got credit cards when I was younger, so I never like racked up that. But even just in my debit account, I was like, I'm too scared to look. And then I remember one time being like, okay, if I actually want to like potentially purchase something in my life, I should probably start saving. And when I actually, like sat down, I just have literally a note in my phone and it's my budget. And I update it like every couple days and I go like, here's how much is in this whatever, classic, very minimalist budget stuff. And ever since I've done that, all of my anxiety, most of my anxiety about money is gone.
Morgan May Treuil [00:40:21]:
Wow.
Leslie Johnston [00:40:22]:
Because to me, I'm like, oh, I actually would rather not purchase or buy little dumb things or even big things because I know, like, the peace of mind that I have. What I know is in my account and what I'm spending.
Morgan May Treuil [00:40:36]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:40:37]:
So to me, I never thought I was like, good at budgeting or good at money. Cuz to be honest, I'm kind of like a shopper. Like, I like to spend. To me, a great day is going and like getting something new or like ordering something on Amazon. Like, I act. I think I would. I actually, I probably have a problem. Like, I love it so much.
Morgan May Treuil [00:40:55]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:40:55]:
So fun.
Leslie Johnston [00:40:56]:
I had to learn, like, oh, no. The love of feeling confident about what I have, even if it's not a lot, but like, I know what's coming in and out makes you feel like you have so much control over a portion of your life that you can actually have control over.
Morgan May Treuil [00:41:11]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:41:12]:
You can't control so many things in life, but you can control whether you spend it or save it.
Morgan May Treuil [00:41:16]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:41:17]:
And so.
Morgan May Treuil [00:41:18]:
And how much you know. Yeah, how much you know about, about your financial situation. I wonder if that's a more common thing than we think, the not looking out of fear and stress, you know? And I, I, I remember seasons like that where I was scared to open my Chase app and, and see like, what the damage was. And I was like, you, my parents were really anti credit card for us. And I understand why.
Leslie Johnston [00:41:40]:
Totally.
Morgan May Treuil [00:41:41]:
Because we had no concept of what that even meant. And I'M really thankful for that because I would have overdrafted some things and messed some stuff up. But I feel like there's. Yeah, like you said, there. There's so much in life that you can't control, and there's so much in life that you're powerless against. There are some things in life where being in control and being powerful over something is actually good stewardship. And this is one of those things. Right.
Morgan May Treuil [00:42:06]:
It's like, it's the resources. It's what you have. It's. I would equate it similar to how you take care of your body also. Right. It's like it's one of those things where it doesn't have to happen to you. You can happen to it. You can make choices that set you up for a good now and a good future.
Morgan May Treuil [00:42:25]:
And I think the same is true for your finances. I think there's probably a lot of people that are living in kind of like an out of. Not out of control, but like, I would. Out of the know is what I would say.
Leslie Johnston [00:42:35]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:42:35]:
They're living in an out of the no kind of strategy when it comes to finances. It's like, that's something that I'll get organized about later.
Leslie Johnston [00:42:43]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:42:43]:
But I would say that while you think that's helping to ease your anxiety, it's actually causing more anxiety to not for sure. It's fueling it.
Leslie Johnston [00:42:53]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:42:53]:
And the quicker that you set up habits of just knowing what's yours, knowing what's coming in, knowing what's going out, keeping tabs on things. Like yesterday I was laying in bed and I got a notification from Apple that my. This. The VSCO subscription price is increasing. I want to say it's like 20 bucks a year or something more than. Sorry. Increasing $20 a year from what it was. And it was like this moment where I'm like, oh my gosh, I haven't used a VSCO subscription since.
Morgan May Treuil [00:43:25]:
Whatever. And I have one. Like, I'm actively paying once a year to use an app that is sitting unused on my phone.
Leslie Johnston [00:43:33]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:43:33]:
And it's stuff like that that kind of gut checks you. You're like, oh, like I'm. I'm. I'm taking what God's given me and he doesn't have to give me this. And I'm being careless and irresponsible with it when I could be purposing this for something that's intentional and good. And all it takes is my thought process. Like, all it takes is awareness. It doesn't take crazy sacrifice to do it.
Morgan May Treuil [00:43:56]:
But yeah, yeah, I have. I have felt more so, like, convicted about lack of awareness. And.
Leslie Johnston [00:44:05]:
Well, I think too, you get to see when you are aware of what's happening, whether you have small finances, big finances, whatever. I think you're so much more aware of the way that God provides when you know it. Yeah, I think God provides so much financially, constantly for people, and they are missing it. Cause they have no idea, like, they just have no idea what's happening in their accounts or whatever. And I think for me at least, like, having to really be on it the last couple years of like, oh, gosh, I don't wanna, like, get behind, or I don't wanna, like, I need to know and kinda be in control of this. Then I realized things come up where it's like, oh, my gosh, I have to pay this massive bill. And then. Or a tax bill comes up or something and you have to pay it.
Leslie Johnston [00:44:48]:
And then you're like, I feel like I have nothing.
Morgan May Treuil [00:44:50]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:44:51]:
And then you watch as like, okay, I'm gonna, like, I'm gonna try to steward this so well. Like, I'm gonna try to be as tight as possible. Now. I'm not a stickler. I'm like, oh, to me, it's like, certain things I think you gotta live. But I watched especially, like, the last couple months, there have been things that have come up, whether it's like Ryder needed to go to the vet hospital for three days or whatever, where things pop up. And I'm like, oh, God, thank you so much for like, alerting me to save back, like, two months ago, which I had done, which I was like, kind of a lot of house stuff. I've been spending a ton.
Leslie Johnston [00:45:29]:
And so then when I got to a point where I was like, oh, shoot, I gotta, like, rebuild back up the savings. And so I felt this, like, nudge to do it. And so I did for a couple months. And then something would happen where I'd need, like, a certain amount of money. And I was like, thank you, God, for helping me do that. Like, and I look at that as, like, him totally providing, like, us working together in making this work. And it has been such a cool thing where I got a bill the other day that was, like, something I wasn't expecting. If it had been me, like, three years ago, I probably would have.
Leslie Johnston [00:46:02]:
I would have cried, Like, I would have freaked out, cried, called my parents, whatever, and I got it. And it was just this, like, instant moment of like, I don't have the money to pay this right now, but, like, God has always provided. Like, he has always provided, and I'm gonna make it work. Like, we're just gonna have to figure it out. And it was like I shocked myself with the peace that I had in it. And so, to me, I just think there's so much, like, of a gift that you can receive when you do know what's happening.
Morgan May Treuil [00:46:29]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:46:30]:
And so.
Leslie Johnston [00:46:30]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:46:31]:
Yeah, that's really. I think that's really cool. I would strongly suggest people listening, have a part of your budget that's dedicated towards generosity. And I don't just mean your tithe to your church or to your ministry. That is one of the things that has brought us the most joy with our finances in the past year was getting really organized about giving to our church. And then for a couple things, like a. It in a selfish way, having money to give makes you feel more in control of your finances in a way, or makes you feel like you're not. You're not so far off the mark, you know, like, and I don't know what that is.
Morgan May Treuil [00:47:18]:
I. I mean, and I think everybody, like, regardless of what you make, you have the ability to set aside a portion and be like, this is for generosity. And just having that portion set aside selfishly helps you feel okay. I'm. I'm not drowning. I have enough to give to something else, you know?
Leslie Johnston [00:47:34]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:47:35]:
So I think. I think that has been cool for us. But, yeah, I. I would say, like, if you. If you belong to a church and that's something you can give to, great. I also think that it's a good practice to set up, like, a part of your budget that's for generosity. That's for, like, gift giving and acts of service and things like that. Because finances can also come with a lot of joy.
Morgan May Treuil [00:47:57]:
Like, the ability to be able to bless somebody and help take, like, burden off of somebody's shoulders. I don't know. I. I think that there's. There's some stuff you can do with your finances that doesn't just feel transactional. Like, the give and take of, you know, I'm just penny pinching and counting every single dollar. It's like you could get really dialed on counting every dollar so that you can set aside this chunk that you can be not careless with, but generous with, and it will feel like, like adventure.
Leslie Johnston [00:48:25]:
Right.
Morgan May Treuil [00:48:25]:
In a good way.
Leslie Johnston [00:48:26]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:48:26]:
And then you get to just see, you know, people be blessed by it.
Leslie Johnston [00:48:29]:
Yes.
Morgan May Treuil [00:48:30]:
That's really cool. So.
Leslie Johnston [00:48:31]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:48:31]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:48:32]:
I think that's the temptation when you. If you get a hold of your finances, but you go to the extreme of, like, I'm never spending a doll. Like, I'm never giving. Like, you. You hoard it. And that's not at all what God wants you to do. That's almost. That's just as bad as not even knowing.
Leslie Johnston [00:48:47]:
Like, just spending super frivolously. Frivolously, yeah, totally. And so even if you're setting aside, like, okay, I have 10 or $20 a month I'm using to, like, bless people with. Like, you take someone out and you're like, oh, let me get your coffee. You don't have to pay me back. Like, that's so cool to be able to do for people. And it can be a small amount, but just setting aside stuff. You're right.
Leslie Johnston [00:49:08]:
It's like, God loves a cheerful giver. It's biblical.
Morgan May Treuil [00:49:11]:
We were talking about this today. Like, or yesterday, maybe it was. Cause when you're expecting a kid, that, to me, is when Benji's always been really financially smart and responsible and careful, but not stingy. Like, he's. I don't. I don't consider him to be a stingy person at all. So I admire him and look up to him in that regard, but I don't think I've made it my own maybe ever. Until getting pregnant.
Morgan May Treuil [00:49:38]:
And then you all of a sudden start to think about it through the lens of, okay, what I'm doing here, I will pass on to somebody else. So, like, it's not just your thing that you're managing when it's just you. It's like, you're like, you can kind of justify whatever irresponsibility or carelessness you want to, because you just keep thinking, I'll get it together in the future, and it's only hurting me or it's only helping me, you know, I remember being mortified, absolutely mortified when Benji and I were getting married. We weren't married yet, and we were applying for this rental property, and. And they came back and were really concerned with a report they had gotten from a previous landlord that I had had when I was at my first apartment complex. And it was the first apartment that I had rented by myself. And I was anxious about money, and I was really forgetful and irresponsible and just kind of, like, not ready for the responsibility, I think. But I'm glad I did it because it taught me this.
Morgan May Treuil [00:50:40]:
And I would be late on rent a lot. Like. And for stupid reasons. Like, reasons where I'd be like, oh, I did set it up, like, to be Automatic. And then it would change or something would. Something would. Would malfunction or I never actually set it up and I would forget or whatever.
Leslie Johnston [00:50:54]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:50:55]:
And so the apartment complex did not give me a great, you know, like, reference afterwards. So then when we were applying for this rental property together, they came back and were like, really concerned about it. And that's caused to, like, not give somebody a property because if they're not going to be responsible and timely with rent, like, why would you want them? And I remember having to look at Benji and being like, oh, gosh, like, all of my choices affect you and all of your choices affect me because we're joining our lives together.
Leslie Johnston [00:51:22]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:51:23]:
And that got in my face a lot of like, okay, so you're responsible not just for you, but for the ones that you join your life with and the ones that come after you. And so we're talking about the baby yesterday and like, what we can do, what habits and what, like budgeting we could do now to help set the baby up. Well, and I don't know, I just, I think there's a lot of. There's a lot of joy in. Hear this. Not making a lot of money.
Leslie Johnston [00:51:49]:
So, like, whatever.
Morgan May Treuil [00:51:50]:
That's whatever. Do what you love and whatever you make doing what you love, be really responsible and well informed and generous with that money. And it will bless not only you, but it will bless the people that you join life with and people that come after you.
Leslie Johnston [00:52:07]:
For sure.
Morgan May Treuil [00:52:08]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:52:08]:
I love that. Check. Next.
Morgan May Treuil [00:52:12]:
Check. Next. There's three more, but we could just do one more for this one and then we can do maybe the last two at a different episode. Last one is this. How do I take care of my mental health? Coping with anxiety, burnout and overstimulation. Figuring out when to rest, when to push, and how to say no. We have done episodes on rest recently.
Leslie Johnston [00:52:37]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:52:37]:
In terms of your mental health, that can be kind of all encompassing.
Leslie Johnston [00:52:41]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:52:42]:
Because you might not be dealing with burnout, you might be dealing with stuff that's a little bit more. Not that. Not that you compare different mental health things. They're all intense. But maybe you're experiencing some mental health kind of crisis or going through an anxiety disorder diagnosis or maybe a season of depression or whatever. My knee jerk reaction to that is that that is a huge part of life that I feel like is sort of unavoidable.
Leslie Johnston [00:53:14]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:53:15]:
And some people will experience it more severely than others will.
Leslie Johnston [00:53:19]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:53:20]:
But it is super important to take care of and to prioritize mental health. But it tends to get the back seat to taking care of a lot of other things. And so I would say like as a knee jerk response. Looking back on history, there were times where my mental health was like screaming red flags at me to pause and deal with what was going on.
Leslie Johnston [00:53:45]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:53:46]:
But then because there were more present and pressing like physical issues, I could see it just got the back seat and that never really ends well. I think we just think that sometimes when you shove like a crying kid at a back room, they'll like stop crying. And I don't know if that.
Leslie Johnston [00:54:04]:
I love this analogy.
Morgan May Treuil [00:54:05]:
I actually think it's a terrible analogy because I don't think they ever stop crying actually.
Leslie Johnston [00:54:09]:
Well, yeah, it's like having a crying kid and yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:54:11]:
It's like hungry, it needs to be fed. And you're like, I'm just gonna put it back here and not feed it. It's like, okay, well it's gonna keep crying because it's hungry. It needs to be fed.
Leslie Johnston [00:54:19]:
Yeah. Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:54:20]:
And that's your mental health.
Leslie Johnston [00:54:22]:
I agree. I, I mean obviously this is such a can of worms and everybody's different and whatever. But I think that exactly what you said. There's things you can do to. Yeah. Don't get to the spot where you are in like the alarm bells are going off and you kind of hit rock bottom. Like there's so much you can do. I think before that.
Morgan May Treuil [00:54:46]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:54:47]:
Now I think when something's clinical, that's a whole different story.
Morgan May Treuil [00:54:52]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:54:53]:
But for like non clinical stuff, I think, yeah. It's like are you. Or at least for all speak. For me it's like times when I get not great. Like to me I feel like I struggle with a lot of like anxious thoughts. Like I feel like I'll struggle with like random intrusive thoughts or things that just like spiral in my mind. And to me when I notice those are the worst, it's usually because I'm not like taking care of myself. Like I'm not like to me what really helps is like getting up and going to the gym.
Leslie Johnston [00:55:29]:
On the weekdays, like in the morning I go and work out with my sister and my brother in law and a couple of our friends. And it not only is like fun and great because you're moving your body, but, but even just like the starting your day with that and have it like launch you into a good day makes such a difference. And obviously eating well, I eat a lot of sugar and so I just. And I can't stop. You're like.
Morgan May Treuil [00:55:56]:
And it's Good for my mental health.
Leslie Johnston [00:55:57]:
It's good for it momentarily.
Morgan May Treuil [00:55:59]:
It's medication.
Leslie Johnston [00:56:00]:
And then spending time with people you love, like doing things that encourage you, not discourage you, trying to, like, weed out some of the stuff that discourages you. I think there's a lot you can do to set yourself up. I think we live in a culture right now where it feels like, well, mental health stuff just comes at me and there's nothing I can do about it. Like, we almost feel helpless. And if you're not dealing with like a clinical side of it, I think there are things you can do to help ease it now. Things come up where you lose a loved one, you go through a really hard time, you lose your job, you're not where you want to be. And I think you take those things day by day. I think remembering what really helps me, honestly, especially with, like spiraling is going, this is a season.
Leslie Johnston [00:56:47]:
Like, this is a momentary thing. I will not always feel this way.
Morgan May Treuil [00:56:52]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:56:52]:
Like, even fears that I have, like, I have to remind myself, you're afraid of this today, but you will not be afraid of this in whatever two weeks or tomorrow. And so I just always remind myself, like, this is not permanent. How I'm feeling right now, whether I'm feeling sad, whether I'm feeling ultra happy, like, whether I'm feeling good or bad, these feelings will not last forever.
Morgan May Treuil [00:57:15]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:57:15]:
So it's like I can get through this knowing that this is not going to be forever.
Morgan May Treuil [00:57:19]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:57:20]:
And to your point about crisis, it's, it's. If you know those things are a natural part of life, then it is way better to be at a balanced state. State when those things come versus being on empty. So if you're like, not. If you're not regularly caring for your mental health and doing things about those thoughts or some of like the seasonal depression stuff. Like if you don't, if you're not organizing your life in a way where you can take care of your mind, then when crisis comes, which it inevitably does, it's. It's going to have its way. And yeah, it, it.
Leslie Johnston [00:57:55]:
You can either start at a baseline or you can start. Or deficit.
Leslie Johnston [00:57:59]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:57:59]:
Yes. And then it will continue to eat more into that. So I think that's really important. I think. And I, I am, I get, I convict, I get convicted about this. My mom has always been on me about this because I'll go, I do have like a clinical anxiety need and I'm medicated for anxiety. And I'll go through seasons where I'll allow myself to kind of like fall off of things. Because certain things get busy.
Morgan May Treuil [00:58:25]:
Right. Whether it's like habits or just things like personal things that I've set up. Maybe it's something bigger, like getting behind on medication that actually happened. You would think for people who know how much they need medication to help them live regular lives, you would think that they would, I don't know, prioritize taking it.
Leslie Johnston [00:58:43]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:58:43]:
And for whatever reason, it's a very common thing for people with anxiety and for people that are on antidepressants to like, kind of like wean on and off or fall off or get back on. And it's for no other reason other than just like, it was a busy day, I forgot to do this. You know, like, I have such a very beautiful but creative mind. And, and I will convince myself sometimes at the time of day that I will take this medication will mess with my stomach. And so like, I will just like not take it because I would rather have a not upset stomach. Then like, yeah, take the medicine. And then the long term effects of that are, oh, shoot, now your mental health is actually in the trash can because you didn't do the thing that you have decided to do to help it. So all that to say, I've been in, in seasons where the anxiety disorder and the panic attacks are so bad and it's because I have neglected to do the work that it takes to get help.
Morgan May Treuil [00:59:41]:
Right. And sometimes it's really hard to get help by yourself and you need people or maybe even a program to help you get help. And there is no shame in that at all. But I would just say, like, don't keep pushing off taking care of your mental health needs, especially if they are clinical needs, because there's going to be times that come where you're like, and I again, sorry to make this to use the baby thing twice, but it's like, okay, so officially, starting in December, there is someone who, who also needs me to be mom.
Leslie Johnston [01:00:13]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [01:00:14]:
And that's a very sobering thought because I've never been someone's mom. Like, there have been some times where I've been someone's wife and I haven't been a very good one because I've been in some of like the throes of my mental health stuff. But Benji's an adult and he can take care of himself. Right. So officially it's like, man, somebody actually needs me to be mom at all times and I don't actually take that hat off all that much.
Leslie Johnston [01:00:38]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [01:00:38]:
For, for the next 18 years.
Leslie Johnston [01:00:40]:
Right.
Morgan May Treuil [01:00:40]:
And so it's just, I think it's gonna be, it's gonna be really important for me to just not let mental health does happen to you. But you, you have the ability to respond and get help and get resources and take actions to help you.
Leslie Johnston [01:00:57]:
Yes.
Morgan May Treuil [01:00:58]:
Survive that.
Leslie Johnston [01:00:59]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [01:01:00]:
And we need to do that.
Leslie Johnston [01:01:01]:
So stuff.
Morgan May Treuil [01:01:02]:
So if you're kind of in a period where you're like, I, I think I might need more help than just changing my routines and my diet and things like that, then don't. I wouldn't delay. I would go get blood work done, I would go get evaluated, I would go like, start trying to figure that out. Cuz life happens. And.
Leslie Johnston [01:01:20]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [01:01:21]:
And I think you can do everything you can do. Like we can do all the right things, all the medication, all that stuff. And at the end of the day, it's like, we obviously.
Leslie Johnston [01:01:33]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [01:01:33]:
People are moms. There's people who have people depending on them and, and you want to live like a, a good, like solid life.
Morgan May Treuil [01:01:40]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [01:01:41]:
But the reality is, it's like, it's so cool to think like, okay, God does talk about how like, his power is made perfect in our weakness. So it's like we should do everything we can do. But at the end of the day, we're still all gonna struggle, we're all gonna fail. Like, you'll probably have seasons as a mom where you're like, oh, my anxiety is kicking me in the butt right now. But it's like, you know what? God already knows those things are gonna happen and he'll already take care of those things. And I think as long as we're allowing God in to that stuff and not like keeping him out of it or trying to like, you know, white knuckle everything ourselves, it's like, yeah, life is life. Just sometimes, like, throws you things and you just have to like, you have to like, lean into what God. Like, the promises of God.
Leslie Johnston [01:02:37]:
And we watched like my aunt just passed away this last week and she really struggled with like, alcoholism and, and part of that contributed like, to how she died. And I remember, like, I was just sitting there and I was like, oh my gosh. Like, I always think like, you know that candle in my mom's bathroom? It's like, yes, we joke about this candle all the time. It's like hope. And it's like, everything will be good in the end.
Morgan May Treuil [01:03:03]:
Or if it's not good, it's not the end.
Leslie Johnston [01:03:06]:
And I was sitting there and I'm.
Morgan May Treuil [01:03:07]:
Like, tough times, God.
Leslie Johnston [01:03:09]:
Like, this wasn't a good Ending, like, how is. And she was a Christian, like, but she struggled, like, she struggled with alcohol. And it ended up just, like, taking over her life in parts of a lot of areas of her life. And I remember, like, it just didn't sit well with me last week of, like, okay, how does somebody end their life? And it's like, I mean, she didn't end her life, but, like, your life ends and it's like, things were not great. It wasn't like, the happy everybody sitting around you, as, you know, we all say goodbye, whatever, and. But then I quickly realized, like, the sobering thought of, like, gosh, this life is actually so short and your life doesn't have to be. We. If you're a Christian, we are all going to the same place.
Leslie Johnston [01:03:57]:
We're all gonna be restored perfectly to as, like, who we're supposed to be. And life is such, like, a blip. Like, yes, obviously it matters, like, what you do. And that's even why we're having this podcast. Like, I think you can live your life with God and have it be so much of a better experience. But even, like, for my aunt, some incredible things did happen at the end. Maybe I'll share it on a different episode, but some really cool God stuff happened at the end of her life. But it was such a cool moment to go, you know, what did she struggle with that? And she never overcame it.
Leslie Johnston [01:04:28]:
Yeah, but is she in heaven now and, like, is fully restored and free from all? And free from all of that?
Leslie Johnston [01:04:36]:
Yes.
Leslie Johnston [01:04:37]:
Her, like, even beating it didn't happen on earth, but that didn't change the fact that she's in heaven and fully.
Morgan May Treuil [01:04:43]:
Restored and she beat it in heaven.
Leslie Johnston [01:04:45]:
Yeah. So I'm like, yeah, we should beat these things here. Like, we should. And I think she missed out, obviously, with those things. It just, It. It hurts your life. But at the same time, I'm like, oh, but we're all getting to heaven and we're all going to be in the same spot. Like, just having a little bit of grace for other people and ourselves to go.
Leslie Johnston [01:05:03]:
Like, this life doesn't have to be perfect for it to be meaningful. And where we end up is actually more important than where we're at right now. So it's okay that you struggle. It's okay that maybe life doesn't look exactly like how you want it to right now, or the things you are hoping that you'll never have to deal with again always creep back. It's like we're going somewhere. That will make this feel way less heavy, you know? So good. I don't know. Just some fresh thoughts from that, but Great.
Morgan May Treuil [01:05:36]:
That's a great way to end. I hope that encourages you guys because that encouraged me. Yeah. That's so good. I feel like those were three very, like, helpful but practical.
Leslie Johnston [01:05:46]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [01:05:47]:
And I don't know, like, I. I feel like I learned stuff from. From listening to some of those answers, so.
Leslie Johnston [01:05:52]:
Me, too. Me too.
Morgan May Treuil [01:05:53]:
Thanks for listening to. Am I doing this right? We have to go catch a movie.
Leslie Johnston [01:05:57]:
We gotta go catch a sequel.
Morgan May Treuil [01:05:59]:
We're gonna go to happy hour called Chicago Fire, which is.
Leslie Johnston [01:06:03]:
Oh, they're wings. So good.
Morgan May Treuil [01:06:05]:
The wings and the Greek fries.
Leslie Johnston [01:06:07]:
Gosh. I want Chicago Fire to sponsor us so they can just give us free wings.
Morgan May Treuil [01:06:10]:
Let's ask them that when we get there tonight.
Leslie Johnston [01:06:12]:
Right.
Morgan May Treuil [01:06:12]:
And then we're gonna go watch a movie. So we'll report back next week, but that's it.
Leslie Johnston [01:06:17]:
See you next time.
Morgan May Treuil [01:06:18]:
That's all we got. Bye.
Leslie Johnston [01:06:20]:
Bye.